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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 15, 2006 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Better Left Alone?

Nearing the end of the Princeton show mentioned below and they're ripping through an outstanding Lovelight. It struck me that as a Bobby tune, it was never one of my favorites; but when Pig did it, it's one of my favorites. In my opinion I think it may have been better if the song was retired after Pig. That tune, along with Good Lovin', were originally there because of Pig, an he made them his own. Perhaps I'm alone here, but I'll welcome any comments Pro or Con. And along these same lines, are there any other songs from the earlier days that would have been better left alone in the later days? Or how about tunes they DID leave alone but you think they should have brought back? I know, questions, questions, questions.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 15, 2006 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better Left Alone?

I enjoyed hearing Midnight Hour again even if it was very different from the way Pig worked that song. They also did not overplay it which helps!

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Dec 15, 2006 7:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better Left Alone?

I agree. "Midnight Hour" was one Pig tune I was fine with Bobby handling, though I have no idea why I dig that while his "Lovelight" is one I think should have stayed in dry dock.

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Poster: Robony Date: Dec 15, 2006 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better Left Alone?

Pig tunes were Pig tunes. They had no voice for them after Pigpen was gone. I think Lovelight proves that. It was a shell of its fomer self with Bob @ mic. Betty's thighs became much less noble.

I remember hearing that the band (Jerry) felt they had done all they could with the Eleven given that the time signature was sort of prohibitive.

I was sort of happy that St Stephen stayed away. Jerry just didn't have the voice for it any longer.

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Dec 15, 2006 12:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better Left Alone?

Bob's versions simply lacked one thing:


BALLS.

The Same Thing, Smokestack, all of 'em--even Jerry on Big Boss Man. Sorry: Pig had the sould and he had the goods. He could talk the talk because he could walk the walk.


Bobby just ain't gonna get no "Nitties"!

Or is it just that cowboys can't sing the blues?


As to the consipracy theory: I've been telling you this all along. And Manny Gibb is really Britney Spears dad. Or mom, I forget which.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 15, 2006 12:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better Left Alone?

This just in: Jerry's double after the Ararat Deception was Wilfred Brimley.

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/sturgisstreetblog/wp-content/WilfredBrimley.jpg


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Poster: HiRoller Date: Dec 15, 2006 3:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better Left Alone?

Obviously this is true, they had to find another diabetic to replace him, and that's why Brimley does those Liberty Medical commercials warning you to test for diabeetus. He doesn't want anyone else to go into a coma.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 15, 2006 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better Left Alone?

I always wished they had brought back The Eleven - one of my all time favoite Dead tunes. Maybe Jerry just could not have handled that one too well as the years went by - don't want to think that way though. Another one is Mason's Children - probably because of the way Phil plays it now with his different band variations - he seems to have a blast with it with some very interesting jamming. Two very different bands, i know, but would have been ineresting to see what the dead could have done with it in later years. (at least up until '90 or so.)

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Dec 15, 2006 4:40pm
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Hey Wolf,

1) Do you know of a hotter Masons Children than 12/28/69?

2) An Eleven that rages more than 2/12/69?

3) Did you check out Flash's sleeper 4/12/71?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 15, 2006 4:56pm
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i'll have to check those out via stream - don't remember if i've heard those before, but obviously love the tunes.

haven't checked out the 71 show yet. been busy with xmas stuff and trying (pathetically) to even make an attempt at keeping up with the tidal wave of discs coming in from my kind LMA friends.

it is on my to-listen-to list though - as those those other two suggestions though - thanks :)

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Dec 15, 2006 6:02pm
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Sorry, gotta go with Cliff on the 12/28 Mason's. One of my first tapes, though only from Good Lovin' to the end, but i played that tape into the ground. What a show!

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Poster: SinsOfTheFather Date: Dec 15, 2006 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better Left Alone?

Agree about The Eleven. That song is so awesome. I also agree that the Bobby Lovelight's are not as good, but I don't know that they should have been retired.

As it was, they never really played Alligator, Good Morning Little Schoolgirl, Mr. Charlie, Easy Wind, etc. after Pigpen passed away (I think, but not certain). I don't know that they would have been able to play them the "right way," but it does kinda suck that those songs basically just disappeared.

I heard a Big Boss Man from 1985 yesterday, with Jerry singing and it was ok, but certainly didn't feel the same as Pig singing it. But at least it was novel if nothing else to hear a later version of a song that I think didn't get played very much.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 15, 2006 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better Left Alone?

WOW!!!! Congratulations, everybody. I think we may have set a record for a posting and the following thread staying (mostly) on topic. I, for one, am stunned. I keep expecting a rant on Jerry's footwear shift post 91 or recollections of a particularly moist towellete in the Byrne restroom in '87. Our ability to focus on any one thing at a time is subject to much derision by the public. I guess you judge an entire group after you've seen just one stoned Head trying to pick out a box of cereal in a Megamart.

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Poster: high flow Date: Dec 15, 2006 11:38am
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The beer aisle always gets me....

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 15, 2006 11:40am
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What about toothpaste? Fuggedaboudit.

Oh, crap, I've derailed my own thread.

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Poster: deadmax Date: Dec 15, 2006 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better Left Alone?

Thanks for going off-subject.

Way to ruin your own post.

See? This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about!




Have I told you guys about this rash on my ...

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Poster: mcglone Date: Dec 15, 2006 9:27am
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i know it's pretty much post pig, but i've never understood why they ditched weather report suite (maybe an andersen issue?). one of my favorite pieces of grateful dead music is the shift into 'winter gray and falling rain, we'll see summer come again'.

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Poster: SinsOfTheFather Date: Dec 15, 2006 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better Left Alone?

Same old friends, the wind and rain.

Agree to this as well, Bobby at his finest.

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Poster: patkelley Date: Dec 15, 2006 9:29am
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that part must have been ditched because there werent any more pretty female vocals.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Dec 15, 2006 9:31am
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it was ditched in 74.

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Poster: patkelley Date: Dec 15, 2006 9:33am
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so it must have been something else. too bad either way b/c it is nice.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Dec 15, 2006 11:23am
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I've heard that the return of Mickey was the end of WRS- the two drummer setup just wasn't nimble enough for that tune.

Billy K is a monster.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 15, 2006 9:57am
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There were licensing entanglements with the National Weather Service.

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Poster: deadmax Date: Dec 15, 2006 10:34am
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It was because of the weather service but not for the reasons you would think. It turns out after appointing an independant inquiry into the matter by Kenneth Starr (a true Dark Starr)that it turned out that Wind and Rain were never friends, they don't really even like each other, they just work together 'cause they have to.

Sad really. Now, Rocks and Grass - that's another story.

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Poster: high flow Date: Dec 15, 2006 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better Left Alone?

I always wanted more Big Boss Jerry!

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Poster: Scrim Date: Dec 15, 2006 10:33am
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The Mt. Ararat Plane Crash is not a theory. If you listen to Jerry's jams in Minglewood pre '77 and post '77, you will hear a distinct beat shift after the fourth stanza that was his signature to the song. Everytime the real Jerry played it, there was a distinct 1/4 beat BACK that was never again repeated. There is more proof to this substitution, but I know that most of you are skeptical. But you should ask yourself, why you are skeptical(?) Is it because you don't want the dream to end? It's to wake up and find out that WE are the eyes of the world.

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Poster: deadmax Date: Dec 15, 2006 10:43am
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Boy! I really do hate to be bustin in with reality today but I feel it is my duty.

I'm not sure why they didn't drop Eyes of the World after finding out the we are in no WAY the EYES of the World, it was found out in late 1977 that we are the BUTTHOLES of the world. That is a BIG difference! I think the Boys - The Other Ones - didn't want to make the substitution for artisic reasons.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Dec 15, 2006 2:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better Left Alone?

Deadmax,
not to start anything, BUTT,
"it was found out in late 1977 that we are the BUTTHOLES of the world"
Is that why(cough)immigrants go crazy to get into the USA?

ahhhh, i got it, we've become buttholes as a result of all the illegal's since 77. We ARE the Eyes of the World, ole!

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 15, 2006 11:05am
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I knew it! Scientific proof! Argue with that, you post-77'ers! It's alomost as obvious as Sean Connery to Roger Moore; both James Bond, but at the same time not.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Dec 15, 2006 12:03pm
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That's right it's a fact! Another little known truism is that Weir was captured by the Bee Gees, flown to Los Angeles where he was forced to record Heaven Help The Fool, and dress in a John Travolta designed ensemble for the cover shot. Upon his return , Jerry calls for a religious intervention and the band flies off, headed for Sri Lanka to undo the Disco brainwashing Weir had received. The plane, of course, fell off of radar and wasn't discovered until the recent Mt. Ararat geological survey.

Another little known factoid is that President Jimmy Carter got the CIA to replace Weir with the long lost Gibbs brother, Manny. What irony.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Dec 15, 2006 9:21am
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I thought the concensus on this forum was that every version of every song played after 1977 was better left alone.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 15, 2006 9:32am
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Basically. No playing of any song should have happened after 77, since they could only suck. Its a real shame that they kept playing in some desperate attempt to recapture the magic. Sad, really. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the Mt. Ararat Plane Crash theory which implies that the Dead never DID play anything after '77 since they had all perished and it was the mock-pseudo-quasi cretins we saw.